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Bittorrent issue

apapahl

Chief: yes I see the same. Needs to be sorted.

CptHook

Ja I know - nothing has happened yet but I want to be prepared ... at least a bit. I could not pay those amounts. Anyway - chat support was very discouraging . Felt like there was no assistance whatsoever.

havanacuba

What happens if my network is used for child porn ? I think in Asia it will automatically be held responsible same with EU

CptHook

Good question. I am so mad at myself for not checking the two stupid sharing sliders earlier. I really like the product itself, but this I a dangerous flaw. It would be half as bad if we had protocols. I wrote in the support chat if there can be a log accessed anywhere. He just replied that it is impossible without any further commenting. Bottomline: you can only use half the functionality in some countries. With protocols the chance of defending yourself successfully in a legal battle are not super amazing but at least there is one.

apapahl

Yes, it is always a risk related to the firewall functionalities of deeper. I am really fed up with all my legal battles.

CptHook

I can imagine that. Really could not pay for it either. In some YouTube comments they said you just have to disable the BT option but you mentioned above that it is no guarantee to not get sued. And have the feeling there is no official member of the staff reading all the posts here. No real answers.

apapahl

I had the BT function off. There are latest BT technology using UDP port higher than 2000. That's the risk. I switched all off but the issue is the tool is not build for that.

chief

I'm with you on this, guys!

This requires dedicated dev efforts on Deeper's side in order to prevent all potential fraud through BT (like) downloads.
A tool that proves that it wasn't you (or your household) who was engaged in such illegal downloads/sharing is not suffice. In fact in many countries you'd still be held responsible.
I hope for Deeper to publicly respond to this, And as much as I'd like to stake DPR, I will have to refrain from sharing bandwidth for the time being. It's not worth the legal hassle (let alone the costs involved).

CptHook

I know it does not help that much , especially when you already got caught but at least they have a sharing log now that came with the latest firmware. Did not dare to try it out though.

ofaclan-com

apapahl Do you have a copy of the letter to share? People are saying it's FUD.

apapahl

you mean the 5 letters from the lawers?

ofaclan-com

apapahl Yes, maybe with contact information blocked out?

CptHook

Why is it FUD? Every YouTube video about deeper connect states that it is a problem. The difference is that in some country you get away penalty free and in some you do not. If check my IP via whatismyip nothing is obscured. At least in Germany (I wish I could leave this country) you can get in serious trouble. There are logs now but seriously: does the passive income outweigh the hassle with lawyers and the costs. Even if you can successfully prove now that you are not the culprit, your lawyer does probably not work for free. I am frustrated myself but I think its just noch worth the risk to mine with my nano.

ofaclan-com

CptHook Yes that's what I am worried about too. I think in the US it's easier but if you are not in the US then it's a lot of hassle. I am still waiting for my miner.
Is it possible to get a screenshot of the logs? Want to see what is logged and show my lawyer friend to ask if it's good enough to prove I didn't do it etc.

CptHook

ofaclan-com I have sharing deactivated . So my logging page is just blank. Interested myself if the logs would help though.

apapahl

ah, it is never enough having log. Very simple in Germany: your IP and you are responsible for any misuse. Hence you have to pay and manage and then you can/have sue deeper. But how you can ensure you haven't done it? The theory is: you did it by purpose hence now you need to ensure that your IP is properly managed. With the log you can maybe sue deeper in US.

CptHook

apapahl Ah okay. interesting. I thought you could deflect the charge by "proving" it was not you. Well I really hate this country. Thats the same reason I guess you have free WiFi everywhere in other countries, here everyone is afraid to grant guest access because of the ruling.

CptHook

A follow up question then would be. What does it cost to successfully defend yourself in court. Is it just a letter by your laywer? Can you get any fees back from the opposing party because they charged you unlawfully?

apapahl

It depends like always. You have 3 main topics: what kind of movie (a new blockbuster is more expensive than a useless xxx movie). Who is you counterpart. Some of the lawyers are just trying hard but avoiding going to court. And where you are located. Here in Bavaria the courts are more on the side of the prosecutor, in Berlin etc more on the accused. So on average 2000€

CptHook

apapahl So it is a simple calculation. 2000€ on average, I read something about 10k$ / year (approx. 8,5k €) but ONLY with the miner edition, with nano and mini I guess far below that. Bottom line: unusable in Germany. Well, no one else to blame but myself. Fell for the hype. Now I hope I have at least a average hardware firewall/ vpn for 250$. Not sure about that yet though.

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